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ABC News: 'Tis the Season of Election Dirty Tricks: Scaring Student Voters

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Election officials and watchdog groups are bracing for the wave of sneaky or suspicious phone calls, leaflets and emails that typically hit battleground states in the final 30 days of the presidential campaign.

Young voters at Drexel University in Philadelphia, Penn. have already been targeted, with students reporting that flyers have been posted around campus warning that undercover police will be at the polls on Election Day looking to make arrests.

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{"commentId":3436096,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

Raymond says that some of the dirtiest – and most effective – tricks are designed to trigger a "latent bigoted reaction." Perhaps the most notorious example was the smear against Senator John McCain in South Carolina before the state's presidential primary in 2000.

Anonymous opponents used push-polls and flyers to spread a whisper campaign suggesting that McCain's Bangladeshi-born adopted daughter was his illegitimate black child.

vote suppression is a scummy thing. It's an attempt to deprive people of a basic right, reprehensible.

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  • 14 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":3436222,"authorDomain":"mikesifeldeen"}

Undercover police will be there to do what? Arrest people who vote for Obama? I don't understand how that's a scare tactic other than throwing the words "undercover" and "police" around.

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  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":3437063,"authorDomain":"JoulesBeef"}

when more poeple vote dems win.. sayign undercover police is intimidating.. you did read that the flier said if you had unpaid parking tickets to clear them up before voting?

 Now if their was the slightest chacne you may be detained for long periods for a simple unpaid ticket.. woudl you show up?

or how about a felon in a state where he woudl still have the right to voe even if convicted,.. and he knows he has warrants.. do you think he will show up? I know many dont care if a felon loses his rights but when you start thinking like that we might as well throw out america.

 Or how about if you just look like one of those poeplt hat gets "harassed" byt he police often, a skater, a hippy, a minority.. dotn think they might say "Screw the hassle?"

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  • 14 votes
#2.1 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
{"commentId":3437211,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

Joules,

You've hit the nail on the head.

Mike, it's an intimidation technique. A vague warning about a possible hassle with police over something minor that could be avoided by not voting.

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  • 12 votes
#2.2 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":3437638,"authorDomain":"mikesifeldeen"}

That's true, I never thought of that.

Wow, that really is scummy.

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  • 11 votes
#2.3 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
{"commentId":3439290,"authorDomain":"steelerdog"}

Are you guys saying that more Democratic voters have legal issues than Republican voters? Why would you attack the Democratic Party like that?

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    #2.4 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:13 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3439515,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

    Fred,

    The tactic isn't universal, but when an area has a majority of republicans and a close election looms it's an effective way to limit democrats, usually younger and often black, from showing up at the poll.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.5 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3439709,"authorDomain":"steelerdog"}

    Again, are you saying the Democratic Party is dependent on black youth with outstanding legal issues to win this thing? You're making a terrible statement about the Democratic Party.

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    • 1 vote
    #2.6 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3439990,"authorDomain":"jtallon"}

    What they're saying, Fred, is that if you can keep a portion of a party's constituency from voting, you've weakened the entire party's chances of winning the election. Winning an election relies on EVERY legal voter doing his/her part. Not just the "perfect" ones.

    These tactics just focus on the easiest parts of that constituency to intimidate.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.7 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3440008,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

    No fred, actually you're putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting what is said. Perhaps a closer reading would help.

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    • 2 votes
    #2.8 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3454953,"authorDomain":"steelerdog"}

    Okay wheel, so you've said that it's a tactic to keep the black youth with legal issues from voting. In the state below mine, Virginia is fighting to have convicted fellons vote. Apparently, the democrats need those votes to get the state in Obama's camp. I tell you what, let's do a study and figure out what would happen to a government if we had more and more people who had trouble keeping within the law vote. Maybe, if you're lucky, we'll have a fellons and law breaker's voting rights group. They can gather and, who knows, if Bill Ayers is running the show, maybe they can legalize bombing as a means of attaining what they want. That should be a dems utopia.

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      #2.9 - Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
      {"commentId":3456598,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

      Once again Fred, putting words in my mouth, I didn't say anything about black youths, that's your interpretation and it's telling.

      Tell you what, let's try to get the criminals that are in office out first. You know, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, those crooks. After they're behind bars then we'll worry about imaginary and baseless charges. Ok?

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        #2.10 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:13 AM EDT
        {"commentId":3457251,"authorDomain":"steelerdog"}

        Right now, I'd rather go after whoever's responsible for the Wall Street mess. Because, whatever damage you may think Bush and Cheney have done, believe it or not, it pales in comparison to the havoc that will befall the Earth if this financial crisis deepens any further.

        And by the way, you didn't say anything about blacks and it's "telling" about me? Here's a quote, your words, not mine, written before I mentioned any race "it's an effective way to limit democrats, usually younger and often black, from showing up at the poll." So don't give me this "telling" crap like I'm racist or something. You're the one that brought up race, not me.

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          #2.11 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:43 AM EDT
          {"commentId":3466054,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

          That would be the entire republican party Fred. Top to bottom, they're the ones who wanted to deregulate the banking industry. They were all for free trade till the rich started losing money.

          Often black, not only black, you added that particular item.

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          • 1 vote
          #2.12 - Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
          {"commentId":3593822,"authorDomain":"energynet"}

          There are still a lot of conservative states that block people from voting if they have records.

          I take care of an ex fellon who was trapped in a sex violation when he was barely of age, At age 55, he thought he would never be able to vote because it had been the law when he was younger.  He's a high school dropout, but paid his debt and worked before being completely handicapped from a car incident.

          It actively took somebody like myself to not only change his mind about what he thought, but also to get him registered. He's actually too conservative for me, and tends to vote along the lines of his union -- teamsters.

          Does it mean that he shouldn't vote? Hell No.

          There are still many states in the country that are vindictive, refusing to let someone with an arrest record from ever voting again.  There are ten's of millions of adults in this country who have drug arrest records they picked up as kids.  Should they be permanently be disallowed by conservatives who control state governments where this behavior goes all the way back to the chain gang racism of the past?

          Its simple.  Racist tactics continue to be used.

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            #2.13 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":3437338,"authorDomain":"rdonaldsnyder"}

            The fact is that Republicans hate America. Voting is the single most American thing a citizen can do and every election the GOP tries these filthy tricks to stop people from doing it. They hate America and the American way of life.

            But it won't happen this time. If they steal the White House by trickery, then we'll take it back by force. Never again!

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            • 10 votes
            Reply#3 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3437695,"authorDomain":"emartens"}

            George Bush had it right when he said "They hate us for our freedoms."  However, he was targeting the wrong group.

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            • 6 votes
            #3.1 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3438025,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

            George Bush had it right when he said "They hate us for our freedoms."  However, he was targeting the wrong group.

            He knew which group he was targeting, unfortunately, we didn't!

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            • 6 votes
            #3.2 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3438173,"authorDomain":"emartens"}

            Good counterpoint! Unfortunately.

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            • 4 votes
            #3.3 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3439345,"authorDomain":"steelerdog"}

            LMAO! The Republicans hate America? This coming from the Jeremiah Wright crowd. You guys are hysterical.

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            • 1 vote
            #3.4 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3439533,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

            Fred,

            What they hate is american freedoms. Free speech, freedom of assembly, those kinds of things. Conservatives, as a group, are not really big on freedom.

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            • 3 votes
            #3.5 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:32 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3440444,"authorDomain":"jhall22"}

            We're pretty big on freedom from taxes, freedom for ridiculous political correctness, freedom from the media trying to tell us what to think.

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              #3.6 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
              {"commentId":3440646,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

              Janice,

              I'm assuming you're talking about the party that has deregulated the banking industry leading directly to the current market meltdown and the party that wants to give enormous and unfair tax advantages to corporations and to the richest humans that have ever existed in the history of the human race? That's the 'we' you're talking about?

              What do you mean when you say 'political correctness'? I suspect we have a very different idea of the meaning.

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              • 2 votes
              #3.7 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
              {"commentId":3441452,"authorDomain":"alfie-omega"}

              But it won't happen this time. If they steal the White House by trickery, then we'll take it back by force. Never again!

              The Republicans have shown their ugly side and now the Democrats, or are you an Independent Mr. Snyder, have shown theirs. Who is going to be the one who decides trickery has been used? If Obama looses, is that the go for you to commit violence against the government? Or will you let the courts take action? But what if they find in favor of the Republicans? What is your standard for proof of trickery Mr. Snyder?

              Sounds like someone has been reading from the Ayers book of insurrection. Nice to see that there are some militant types backing Obama.

              Whats funny about this whole thing is, is that when Palin was revving up the McCain supporters and neither she nor McCain were admonishing them for saying the things they did, many Viners were up in arms. Anyone want to join in and agree with me about threatening violence against the government if things don't go someones way? What is it that some Obama supporters have been saying...oh yeah...pot meet kettle.

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              • 1 vote
              #3.8 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":3438186,"authorDomain":"littlereddog"}

              I wouldn't be too terribly concerned about this.  The Obama campaign has an army of poll watchers scheduled to work on election day, many of them lawyers.  We have already anticipated this kind of voter intimidation and the watchers will be located at poll locations where this kind of Republican @!$%# tactics is more likely to take place.

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              • 4 votes
              Reply#4 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
              {"commentId":3438848,"authorDomain":"mollskin"}

              littlereddog------I've been one of those poll monitors, in Ohio in 2004. Everyone in my family did it.
              There are some mean, arrogant GOP election workers to deal with; they can kick us out for no good reason. The odd thing was, in Ohio we were forced to do it because the GOP demanded to have their "poll monitors"---read: operatives----in the polling sites, so we were there, too. They paid theirs, Dems just volunteered ;-)
              And we need every possible person to volunteer to do this during Nov. 4th, plus filming the vote and vote-count processes.
              Please consider volunteering & share this info with every Dem or Obama supporter you know & encourage vounteering to do this monitoring or other duties. This will be the biggest turn-out of any US election in history.

              It is just not enough to show up to vote this time; we all need to contribute a bit more, if only for this single day. Drive people with transportation problems, volunteer at polling sites, bring snacks & drinks for people who will be standing in line for hours. One day, only one day for our nation, to wrench it back for our future and for the rest of this planet.

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              • 2 votes
              #4.1 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
              {"commentId":3439108,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

              Well said Molly. I usually have to work on election day, so I get up early and go vote before work. I'm not usually around in the middle of the day so I guess I never really noticed any monitors, or maybe I just ignored them.

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              • 2 votes
              #4.2 - Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
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